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| 08:47 | tilgovi > | I've subscribed to my google calendar with chandler but all my events show up in UTC |
| 08:47 | tilgovi > | but my calendar in google is GMT-5, as is my system time |
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| 10:18 | (Nick change: jaredrhine_afk -> jaredrhine) |
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| 10:43 | JeffreyH > | jaredrhine: getting running with git and cosmo is pretty easy, since Travis set it up... |
| 10:43 | jaredrhine > | yeah, i've seen the blog posts even. |
| 10:44 | jaredrhine > | next time i need to futz, i'm all over it. |
| 10:44 | jaredrhine > | i should consider doing it even for applying the patches. |
| 10:44 | JeffreyH > | well, I was thinking the 1.1 merge |
| 10:44 | JeffreyH > | is nearly trivial with git |
| 10:44 | jaredrhine > | yeah, that's what i mean... |
| 10:44 | JeffreyH > | and a pain (imho) with svn |
| 10:44 | JeffreyH > | *except* that I know no way of creating the darn branch from git-svn |
| 10:45 | jaredrhine > | i think that part won't actually be as bad, since i have specific revision numbers already... |
| 10:45 | jaredrhine > | svn is ok about that; generate a patch for each revision, apply to new tree. |
| 10:45 | JeffreyH > | Well, you lose history that way, but yeah |
| 10:46 | jaredrhine > | do you think i should apply those merges to 1.0 and then branch 1.1 to release? or branch now then apply patches to 1.1... |
| 10:46 | JeffreyH > | oh, I have no preference there |
| 10:46 | jaredrhine > | yeah, me either, really. i'll probably apply to 1.0 |
| 10:47 | JeffreyH > | slightly different topic: andre just pointed out bug 12349 |
| 10:47 | soup > | Cosmo bug #12349: In IE7, in DV, long notes obscure DV header section Product: Cosmo, Component: Detail View, Severity: normal, Assigned to: jeffrey@osafoundation.org, Status: NEW, Url: http://bugzilla.osafoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12349 |
| 10:47 | JeffreyH > | which I'm hoping I can fix in a few minutes |
| 10:47 | jaredrhine > | to keep it consistent. i'm just "catching up" on patches; things people would have applied to 1.0 along the way if they had remembered... |
| 10:47 | jaredrhine > | ok, np. go ahead; now that i'm caught up, it's easier to track any changes. |
| 10:50 | gbaillie > | doesn't svn merge work for applying changes to new branch? |
| 10:50 | jaredrhine > | yeah, probably. |
| 10:50 | jaredrhine > | reading now. |
| 10:50 | gbaillie > | (reading back) not that i'm a massive fan of svn or anything :o |
| 10:50 | jaredrhine > | everyone else is in more recent practice. |
| 10:51 | gbaillie > | iirc, svn<1.5 doesn't track that revisions were merges, though i could be wrong there too. |
| 10:51 | jaredrhine > | more properly, i'd hand this task off to someone who's been active. but i think i'm going to steal the practice while i can. |
| 10:52 | ovaltofu > | (n=vajda@adsl-66-159-224-220.dslextreme.com) left irc: |
| 10:54 | jaredrhine > | gbaillie: so, we good on powering down tbox? i'm not sure what's up with ahukini, unfortunately? |
| 10:54 | jaredrhine > | the kvm doesn't show what all boxes are plugged in. |
| 10:54 | jaredrhine > | so i'll either need to guess on some ;) or wait for an office visit. |
| 10:55 | jaredrhine > | was looking at koa now, which is power-labelled... |
| 10:55 | jaredrhine > | hopefully accurately. |
| 10:55 | gbaillie > | right ... either it's been unplugged, or has broken power supply or something |
| 10:55 | jaredrhine > | it says "no power" in the ui; did you try to cycle it? |
| 10:56 | gbaillie > | yes, in the web app |
| 10:56 | jaredrhine > | k |
| 10:56 | gbaillie > | but, really, molokini was in the same bucket as the others you're decomissioned. so for now, we're doing a ahukini<->molokini swap |
| 10:56 | gbaillie > | and decomissioning ahukini |
| 10:56 | jaredrhine > | yeah, got it. |
| 10:56 | gbaillie > | i actually updated your hosts.env and screenrc files for that, too |
| 10:56 | jaredrhine > | are you still using build wrappers? |
| 10:56 | jaredrhine > | ah, cool. |
| 10:58 | gbaillie > | i use most of your scripts, except i like to run the individual builds from screen |
| 10:59 | jaredrhine > | makes sense. |
| 11:00 | jaredrhine > | koa's orange, but shutting off anyway... |
| 11:01 | moondawg > | hey gbaillie, hamstar_, jaredrhine, JeffreyH...it's 11:00am |
| 11:01 | jaredrhine > | yo |
| 11:01 | hamstar_ > | hi |
| 11:01 | JeffreyH > | 'lo |
| 11:02 | gbaillie > | hey hey hey |
| 11:02 | moondawg > | jaredrhine...do you want to go first? |
| 11:02 | jaredrhine > | sure |
| 11:02 | jaredrhine > | Evaluate Cosmo tree status; report to list on merges needed |
| 11:02 | jaredrhine > | Prepped virtual machines for ISC by setting hardcoded MACs |
| 11:02 | jaredrhine > | Continue final backups removal from KEI |
| 11:02 | jaredrhine > | Wife out of house for few hours; responses maybe sporadic and shifting some work to tonight |
| 11:02 | jaredrhine > | Security updates to mail server |
| 11:02 | jaredrhine > | Sign off on OSAF's new phone number? |
| 11:02 | hamstar_ > | hi |
| 11:03 | jaredrhine > | starting shutdown of some tbox |
| 11:03 | jaredrhine > | new phone number question is just if sheila's good with it, i'll update the contact page and tell dave to shut off office line. |
| 11:03 | moondawg > | jaredrhine...I think we should just move forward with the new number |
| 11:03 | moondawg > | good with me |
| 11:03 | jaredrhine > | k. any place you absolutely want to update first? bank? |
| 11:04 | moondawg > | I will let Hao and Peter know...maybe they can give me a hand with all the updates |
| 11:04 | jaredrhine > | cosmo tree checking was the big one, thought that was pretty successful in prepping for 1.1 |
| 11:04 | moondawg > | jaredrhine...what happens if people phone the old number |
| 11:04 | jaredrhine > | i can ask dave to do something specific with it. |
| 11:05 | jaredrhine > | dunno if we can do a "here's a new number" and skip voicemail and any forwarding. |
| 11:05 | moondawg > | I was wondering if we should change the voicemail to give the new number or something...just for like a month |
| 11:05 | jaredrhine > | dunno if we want to avoid having any footprint on kei it. |
| 11:05 | moondawg > | I don't think it's a big deal either way..it's not like we get many calls |
| 11:05 | jaredrhine > | that'd be fine; when's the last time anyone left a message? |
| 11:06 | moondawg > | I don't think for a long time |
| 11:06 | jaredrhine > | i sorta lean towards the heavy-handed approach to allow us to strike the todo item entirely instead of a revisit in a month. |
| 11:06 | moondawg > | sure fine with me |
| 11:07 | jaredrhine > | that's all, in any case. </> (k, will do) |
| 11:07 | moondawg > | jaredrhine...one more question. What is going to happen to the OSAF info on the KEI wiki...should we try and save any of that? |
| 11:07 | jaredrhine > | oh, yes. |
| 11:07 | jaredrhine > | *almost* was able to announce that ready for this session. |
| 11:08 | moondawg > | we can talk about it next week |
| 11:08 | jaredrhine > | i have all of osaf tarred up, and some pickings from the rest of the internal wiki. it'll be available on external wiki, only to certain usernames, and the old wiki will be locked from changes. |
| 11:08 | jaredrhine > | tried to squeeze it in as complete, but don't want to rush it, futzing with permissions now. |
| 11:08 | moondawg > | ok thanks |
| 11:08 | jaredrhine > | </> |
| 11:09 | moondawg > | gbaillie |
| 11:09 | gbaillie > | - 1.0.1 test session; apart from 1 fix that didn't work, things seem ok. |
| 11:09 | gbaillie > | - did most of the acceptance tests for 1.0.1. We're looking good to go, although I think we had decided we'd have some dogfooding time before officially releasing. |
| 11:09 | gbaillie > | - looking into a couple of users list issues |
| 11:09 | gbaillie > | - some build/infrastructure work (e.g. not relying on svn). |
| 11:09 | gbaillie > | </> |
| 11:10 | moondawg > | is there anything else we need to do on the rearchitecture plan...ie: anything blocking us from just moving forward (I assume we are already) |
| 11:11 | moondawg > | gbaillie? |
| 11:11 | gbaillie > | er, no .... i have been mainly doing background stuff (i.e. build-related), but can move onto plan as written |
| 11:11 | moondawg > | ok..thanks |
| 11:12 | gbaillie > | i'm sure there will be questions for pje |
| 11:12 | moondawg > | JeffreyH |
| 11:12 | JeffreyH > | started working on notifications |
| 11:12 | JeffreyH > | looking into bug 12349 |
| 11:12 | soup > | Cosmo bug #12349: In IE7, in DV, long notes obscure DV header section Product: Cosmo, Component: Detail View, Severity: normal, Assigned to: jeffrey@osafoundation.org, Status: NEW, Url: http://bugzilla.osafoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12349 |
| 11:13 | JeffreyH > | that's it |
| 11:13 | moondawg > | hamstar |
| 11:13 | hamstar_ > | - talked to katie a bit about draft - so reworking that |
| 11:13 | hamstar_ > | - other than just usual list stuff and more product wiki work |
| 11:13 | hamstar_ > | - also sent out update about notifications |
| 11:13 | hamstar_ > | thats it |
| 11:14 | moondawg > | So for me... |
| 11:14 | moondawg > | I got in touch with Eugene. He would like to meet with Mimi again. Pinged Alex. Talked with Andre yesterday |
| 11:14 | moondawg > | Still need to go through strategy list and summarize/restart threads |
| 11:15 | moondawg > | Did some testing on 1.0.1...that's it for me |
| 11:15 | moondawg > | I guess, that's it. Have a great weekend everybody |
| 11:16 | gbaillie > | thx, moondawg |
| 11:16 | jaredrhine > | woo! |
| 11:17 | jaredrhine > | gbaillie: looking at shutting down hokulele next; doesn't appear to be any tbox stuff running on it currently. no window and process list clean. offing now; koa killed right before meeting. |
| 11:19 | gbaillie > | ok, cool. yeah, according to the OsafTinderbox page hokulele was a cosmo tinderbox |
| 11:19 | gbaillie > | i suspect that at some point in the last 3-6 months, it power cycled & no-one restarted tbox there |
| 11:21 | jaredrhine > | yeah; i've assembled a number of lists of tbox and referred to other lists, and they never seem to be quite accurate... |
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| 11:27 | jaredrhine > | gbaillie: also shutting off mikala, i don't think either of us has ever used it. |
| 11:28 | gbaillie > | yeah, never heard of it even :o |
| 11:28 | jaredrhine > | it was a box that mike used to vnc into multiple places, and then he only needed to attach to one place to control things. |
| 11:29 | jaredrhine > | i'm having some confusion over oahu. it's in the kvm list, but attaching to console goes wonky and it's not in internal osaf dns... |
| 11:29 | jaredrhine > | but appears to be on :) |
| 11:30 | gbaillie > | huh |
| 11:31 | jaredrhine > | can't shut of dev-imac2 remotely; doesn't appear to be plugged in (at least the console) to the kvm |
| 11:32 | jaredrhine > | so that gets a repreive |
| 11:33 | gbaillie > | want me to shut it down from vnc, jaredrhine? |
| 11:33 | jaredrhine > | heh gbaillie, shutting down mana. the window shows the ssh auth message "the authenticity of host 'builds.osafoundation.org' can't be established. rsa key fingerprint blah. are you sure you want to continue connecting? |
| 11:34 | gbaillie > | i wonder if that's because of having to regen an ssh key |
| 11:34 | jaredrhine > | heh, yeah, that'd be great, actually. i haven't vnc'ed to any of these boxes... |
| 11:34 | jaredrhine > | not really regen, but it's not in known_hosts, is my guess. |
| 11:34 | jaredrhine > | the ip was, the name not? |
| 11:34 | jaredrhine > | maybe? |
| 11:34 | jaredrhine > | artifact of shift of tinderbox.py:40? |
| 11:34 | jaredrhine > | maybe there are other boxes in that state? |
| 11:35 | jaredrhine > | no matter for mana, i'll shut it down... |
| 11:35 | gbaillie > | ah, yes, that makes sense |
| 11:35 | gbaillie > | ordinarily, since mana doesn't do full builds, it wouldn't have to copy tarballs anywhere |
| 11:35 | gbaillie > | so, the ssh thing wouldn't be a problem |
| 11:36 | gbaillie > | although someone must be ssh'ing for auth message |
| 11:37 | jaredrhine > | sorry, i shut the box down, but it looked like the end of a tinderbox.py run. |
| 11:37 | gbaillie > | ok. |
| 11:37 | gbaillie > | i am, for grins, going to install the latest sw update on dev-imac2, and then shut it down |
| 11:38 | jaredrhine > | cool. |
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| 11:45 | jaredrhine > | gbaillie: one more, linuxdev1 is our internationalization test box. ubuntu etch. tbox l10n-linux. go ahead and kill? |
| 11:46 | gbaillie > | ya |
| 11:46 | gbaillie > | iirc the test suites are hopelessly borked in non-english |
| 11:48 | jaredrhine > | also discovered "mololo", a box that's up, not apparently responding to ssh. |
| 11:48 | jaredrhine > | maybe that's oahu v2 or something. |
| 11:49 | jaredrhine > | listed as winxp, cosmo_windmill, cosmo-ft-win. |
| 11:49 | jaredrhine > | maybe vnc is open |
| 11:53 | jaredrhine > | gbaillie: i can vnc to malolo, nothing appears to be running. kill it? |
| 11:54 | jaredrhine > | if it was cosmo (and java is installed) then don't imagine you care much... |
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| 11:58 | gbaillie > | sure, jaredrhine |
| 11:59 | gbaillie > | (dev-imac2 shut down) |
| 11:59 | jaredrhine > | my current line for testing tbox upage: or i in ahukini alanui dev-imac1 dev-imac2 dev-imac3 haleakala hilo hokulele koa kona linuxdev1 mana malolo maunaloa mikala molokini oahu ; do echo -n $i " " ; ping -c 1 $i|grep packets; done |
| 11:59 | jaredrhine > | cool. |
| 11:59 | gbaillie > | aha |
| 11:59 | jaredrhine > | relevant because it was going to hit some power-offs in the kvm, and by pinging everything before i after, i can tell if something's not labelled properlly. |
| 12:00 | gbaillie > | hm, so maybe i power-cycled a machine that wasn't ahukini |
| 12:00 | jaredrhine > | :) who knows... |
| 12:01 | jaredrhine > | these boxes are currently up: alanui, dev-imac1, dev-imac3, hilo, kona, maunaloa, molokini |
| 12:03 | jaredrhine > | gbaillie: what's kona used for? that list appears to be 1 more than we actually use for releases... |
| 12:03 | gbaillie > | i was just wondering that myself |
| 12:03 | jaredrhine > | (starting kvm now) |
| 12:04 | jaredrhine > | on the internal Technology/OsafTinderbox page, there's a VM listed "kona-ubuntu-vm" |
| 12:04 | gbaillie > | there's a reference to a "kona-win" tinderbox on the OsafTinderbox page, but it's not otherwise listed |
| 12:04 | jaredrhine > | but not knoa itself. |
| 12:05 | jaredrhine > | looks like windmill. |
| 12:07 | gbaillie > | ok ... there are some references on chandler-dev |
| 12:07 | jaredrhine > | currently running cosmo_windmill cosmo-ft-ie6 |
| 12:07 | jaredrhine > | but results aren't getting posted to any tbox i can find. |
| 12:07 | jaredrhine > | going to shut down, i think. |
| 12:07 | gbaillie > | is there a cosmo tbox page still? |
| 12:07 | jaredrhine > | nothing on it. |
| 12:08 | gbaillie > | huh |
| 12:08 | jaredrhine > | despite my recent inquiry to jeffrey on whether anyone knows how to run windmill for the cosmo 1.1 release... |
| 12:09 | jaredrhine > | doesn't look they are succeeding anyway. |
| 12:10 | jaredrhine > | ok, after shutting this one down, i'm going to take a baby-entertaining break. |
| 12:10 | gbaillie > | same as an entertaining baby break ;) ? |
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| 12:12 | JeffreyH > | did you see my response in #cosmo, jaredrhine? |
| 12:12 | jaredrhine > | JeffreyH: yeah, sorry. |
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| 13:28 | hamstar_ > | jaredrhine... |
| 13:28 | hamstar_ > | we should update phone number on osaf website? |
| 14:07 | jaredrhine > | yes, see the info@osaf email where i outlined the next steps... |
| 14:08 | jaredrhine > | i'll hit the website; i have a round to do anyway. |
| 14:14 | nordbo > | I posted a kind of promotion for Chandler on my blog. Anyone willing to check for factual errors? |
| 14:18 | nordbo > | It's on http://nordbo.blogspot.com if anyone wants to read it. |
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| 14:23 | gbaillie > | nordbo: looking |
| 14:27 | hamstar_ > | thx nordbo :) |
| 14:27 | gbaillie > | nordbo: wow, nice writeup |
| 14:28 | gbaillie > | the only thing i disagree with is that perf problems are due to python ... |
| 14:29 | gbaillie > | imo, sure, python is interpreted and so that detracts from perf, but there are many non-python reasons for overall perf problems |
| 14:30 | gbaillie > | examples of those are the way we've layered a database on top of berkeley db, and the way we persist a lot of state we don't need to (e.g. user interface layout) |
| 14:34 | nordbo > | Thanks for explaining that :) |
| 14:37 | nordbo > | Hmmm... I'll insert "In part" in that line. |
| 14:38 | nordbo > | Did you catch any spelling errors? I'm not a native speaker, so sometimes it's difficult to tell if there are. |
| 14:41 | gbaillie > | i noticed a couple of 'architechture' instead of 'architecture' |
| 14:42 | gbaillie > | but otherwise it looks good; your english is very fluent! |
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| 14:51 | nordbo > | Thank you, gbaillie =) |
| 14:51 | gbaillie > | & thank you |
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| 15:11 | nordbo > | LoL... maybe I should include a link..... |
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| 21:07 | heikkit > | jaredrhine: yt? |
| 21:07 | heikkit > | bear: yt? |
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