Community Working Group Meeting 5 October 2004

Agenda

• 0.4 release -- Pieter and Ducky are having meetings w/Chao and Sheila every Tuesday at 3 PM to discuss non-code (basically docs) issues.
• Mellon update -- Pieter has distributed a second pass of the Mellon doc. Mitchell would like to see the final report.
• Wiki license -- Pieter delayed by a day because he went to see the X-Prize-winning space flight. Ducky sent Pieter a list of contributors, now Pieter is to send message out, will give them two weeks to object. Ducky asked Jürgen about permalink instead. Pieter to make Web site CC license.
• Brian's test SMTP server -- Brian Kirsch has made a pathological SMTP server to give "bad" responses so that he could test the SMTP client's handling of bad responses. This is something that could be useful to any SMTP client developer, so we should perhaps contribute it back to the world. Only question then is: where do we put it? Suggestion: we could maybe contribute it to the Twisted project. Ducky to ask Brian if Twisted will take it.
• We will either not have a meeting next week or we will have a short meeting due to Ducky having a meeting with Mitch.

Other discussion

Developer dogfood

Chao joined us to talk about developer dogfood. He said that as they are starting to do 0.5 planning, they wanted to operationalize developer dogfood: who is the right person to be involved, what are the right platforms, etc. Ted is the right person, and he already has a meeting scheduled with Katie and Sheila to talk about these issues. (We see this as an ongoing, informal but consistent discussion.)

We talked about how we should figure out early what developer dogfood we want at the end of the release so that the tasks can propagate backwards to the beginning of the release.

ZaoBao

Some discussion about making ZaoBao^? a community third-party parcel. Pieter argued that since it was not core functionality that it might make sense to pass it to the outside world. To him, ZaoBao seems exactly the class of work that we could toss out to the community. Ted to mention that idea to Katie. CPIA will still be unstable through 0.5; maybe this is a good goal for later in the 0.5 or approach it as a Web-based aggregator.

Logging system

Hazmat is going to revamp our logging system starting mid-October, which means that we'll need a contributor license agreement soon.

StarterProjects

Ducky and Pieter to refresh the StarterProjects page. Ducky to file it as a 0.4 bug.

Action Items for last meeting

• Ted to start coordinating with working groups re PyCon and 0.4 goals.
• Ted to talk to Lisa re developer dogfood.
• Ducky to create a DeveloperDogfood^? wiki page. Stub page done; discussion needed before fleshing out.
• Ducky to ask Mitchell re license for Mozilla bugwritinghelp.html. Mitchell says it's okay to develop a derivative work as long as we attribute it.
• Ducky and Pieter to work together to get the copyright notice at the bottom of all wiki pages and on the wiki registration form.
  • Ducky and Pieter to follow up with Jürgen about getting a permanent link for the contributor script. Ducky asked again.
• Ducky and Pieter to talk to Sheila, Chao, and whoever else needed to make sure that docs get done enough soon enough that changes found in marcomm review will get in. done
• Pieter to pull together Mellon status report. First pass done, awaiting review
• Ducky to write up first pass of Community FAQ.
• Mitchell to present the Creative Commons license rationale to Mitch. done
• Mitchell to put out a draft contributor license.
• Mitchell to decide if she needs to put out a separate draft contributor license specifically for PyLucene

Action Items for next meeting

• Ted to talk to Katie and Morgen re servelet tutorial.
• Ted to start coordinating with working groups re PyCon and 0.4 goals.
• Ted to talk to Lisa re developer dogfood.
• Pieter to pull together Mellon status report.
• Pieter to put the Creative Commons Attribution Only license on the Web site.
• Ducky to ask Brian Kirsch if the Twisted project would host his pathological SMTP server.
• Ducky to review Mellon status report.
• Ducky and Pieter to work together to get the copyright notice at the bottom of all wiki pages and on the wiki registration form.
  • Ducky and Pieter to follow up with Jürgen about getting a permanent link for the contributor script.
• Ducky and Pieter to refresh the StarterProjects page.
• Ducky to coordinate fleshing out a DeveloperDogfood^? wiki page.
• Ducky to write up first pass of Community FAQ.
• Mitchell to put out a draft contributor license.
• Mitchell to decide if she needs to put out a separate draft contributor license specifically for PyLucene

-- DuckySherwood - 30 Sep 2004